Exide's latest numbers

[C&R+2]

So are you arguing for higher levels of lead in residential areas? If the technology exists and they *are* going to reduce the lead emissions regardless, why not start the process now rather than 2017? It seems like the only way Exide and the regulatory agencies are going to do anything is if people complain.

[Daytimer]

Originally Posted by C&R+2

So are you arguing for higher levels of lead in residential areas? If the technology exists and they *are* going to reduce the lead emissions regardless, why not start the process now rather than 2017? It seems like the only way Exide and the regulatory agencies are going to do anything is if people complain.

"Legally", yes he is arguing for higher levels of lead in residential areas.

How long ago was that 1.5 μg/m3 emissions threshold law passed?

[Mommyp]

Originally Posted by El Burro Loco

So the limit is 1.5.
Exide's average has apparently been falling, to 0.422 - less than 1/3 of the limit. it was never even near the current limit.

The new limit will be 0.150
They are as of this point closer to meeting the new limit than exceeding the current limit
They have until 2017 to meet the new limit. That's 6 years away.

I'm sorry, but what exactly was the problem again?

Tell that to the cop when you are caught speeding - BUT OFFICER MY AVERAGE SPEED WAS BELOW THE LIMIT. .

See ya in the Pokie!

Based on the data provided earlier, every incident above 1.5 is a violation of the 1979 Lead standard.

Site Parameter Date Sample Value
480850009 12128 20080605 3.420
480850009 12128 20080518 3.250
480850009 12128 20070307 2.490
480850009 12128 20080711 2.280
480850009 14129 20091221 2.160
480850009 12128 20081126 2.140
480850009 12128 20070822 1.980
480850009 12128 20080530 1.940
480850009 12128 20080430 1.890
480850009 12128 20070319 1.880
480850009 12128 20080319 1.770
480850009 12128 20080101 1.700
480850009 12128 20081226 1.700
480850009 12128 20070325 1.590
480850009 12128 20080131 1.540
480850009 12128 20070424 1.520
480850009 14129 20090513 1.510

[Mommyp]

Originally Posted by El Burro Loco

Apparently it is.

I guess I'd be more inclined to eschew the law and limits set forth by the govt and run around like a chicken with my head cut off like others are if there was an epidemic of lead showing up in blood or soil samples. It's not because the old limits were safe and Exide, on avg, fell well below those limits. The new limits are even safer. But the image that some alarmists are trying to create here is that because there are new limits, the old limits are unsafe and everyone's at risk. Simply not the case.

How long has Exide operated in that location? It was there long before I moved to Frisco in '97. In all that time, and under the old standards, there are no measurable or dangerous accumulations of lead that I am aware of. And there won't be between now and the time they are required to attain 0.150 either.

But I am enjoying watching the hype. And the irony.

OFFICER, I have been driving at 200 mph for the last 50 miles and nobody was injured or hurt, why are you writing me up for a ticket? The 65mph speed limit is too low - because I am smarter than the people that set the safe limit, I have been driving for 100 years over the limit and it has never hurt anyone. Why are you giving me a ticket!!?!

[Daytimer]

Originally Posted by El Burro Loco

In all that time, and under the old standards, there are no measurable or dangerous accumulations of lead that I am aware of. And there won't be between now and the time they are required to attain 0.150 either.

But I am enjoying watching the hype. And the irony.

You're right. The irony is great!

City OKs soil studies funded by Exide at former wastewater treatment plant

The studies are required as part of the city's participation in the state's Voluntary Cleanup Program. City Manager George Purefoy said high levels of lead and cadmium at the treatment plant are believed to have come from the company's operations 10 to 15 years ago.

The treatment plant, located west of Exide and south of the former Beal Building, has been closed since June 1999. But when it was operating, it received processed wastewater from the lead smelter. The city also had a concrete pad at the site to store broken battery pieces and contaminated soil that the city removed from multiple locations, including Bicentennial Park.

[Mommyp]

Originally Posted by El Burro Loco

17 days out of 1095 days. 1.5% of all days in the three year period that they exceeded the limit.

That must have stacked lead 3 ft high over by PHP!


What's that you say? There are no confirmed instances of lead contamination anywhere off plant property? No accumulations that present a threat? You mean to tell me with the plant spewing all this deadly lead ABOVE THE LIMIT FOR 17 WHOLE DAYS IN A 3 YEAR PERIOD we have no evidence of lead contamination?

Really?

Those are not daily stats they are weekly stats. ANY ONE reading in excess of 1.5 is a violation of the 1979 Standard. The plant produces roughly 2-3 tons of lead emmissions per year. I do not think the citizens of Frisco really want to participate in Burro's little experiment to see if the lead standard is too high. I imagine most folks would rather trust the NIH and EPA to determine those standards. Goodness knows TCEQ is not going to do anything.

[penguin]

Per Mommyp:
"...I imagine most folks would rather trust the NIH and EPA to determine those standards..."

Trust? That would be as much a mistake as trusting you to fairly represent how that standard was set. The NIH "and" the EPA didn't do it together. The NIH did the research and made a recommendation, based on the utter bleeding edge of the ability to correlate extremely low lead blood levels to any effects above ambient (normal background). Then the EPA ignored that figure and its implications and piled on a significantly tougher standard to cover "things that haven't been discovered yet." So the final figure was NOT set based on the research, but on a whim that made the EPA bureaucrats "feel good," per their admissions in their own documents.

We covered that in this forum a few months back, which you seem to have conveniently overlooked. Perhaps living outside of Frisco and having a grudge instead of a dog in this hunt weakens the memory....


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[C&R+2]

Exide emits lead. Technology exists that will cut back on lead emissions. Exide eventually plans on using this technology, but not until the future, possibly 2017.If Exide is pressured into doing so earlier, it's a win-win for everyone--Frisco gets cleaner air, Exide gets the good neighbor award for moving ahead of regulations, and the city looks like they go to bat for the common good. I'm not seeing the upside on letting Exide delay the modifications that they plan to make anyway. Either they do it now, or they do it later and now carries more benefits--why is this such a contentious issue?

[lucas mccain]

Originally Posted by El Burro Loco

Better shift the focus of your outrage then.

Your interpretation of my focus is part of your dementia.
Not my reality.

[lucas mccain]

Originally Posted by El Burro Loco

I'm sorry, did you have a point other than demonstrating your disdain?

I thought it was obvious.

The point was to remind you how you like to insinuate your own interpretation of someone else's point of view, usually in an attempt to discredit that person.

It's not very honest of you and needs to be constantly exposed until you get the point.