Little Elm Rezoning Update

[Daytimer]

And yet for all the bluster, huffing and puffing, y'all still didn't bother addressing my point that residents would much prefer the retail traffic rather than apartment traffic. Are y'all just afraid of admitting to a 'Phrisceaux' 'tude?

As for the school zoning, show us some historical numbers. We have several concentrations of apartment complexes on Stonebrook, Preston, Wade, and Warren. How many kids are these complexes feeding into FISD? Are y'all really operating on the the belief that every one of the 1,400 units will be leased to a family with 2.5 children each?

And we're also concerned with how the complexes will look in ten years? See my question/point above - how do the apartment complexes on Stonebrook, Preston, and Wade look now? How are the property values of the homes in the surrounding neighborhoods?

Except I'll save y'all the mental exercise. When we explored the property values concern by asking for numbers (proof) - in the other threads - we got as far as admitting that we don't want to really delve into property values in the surrounding neighborhoods in and around Phri... Frisco because there are many other influences on property values; i.e.: nobody wants to really put in the effort to back up the hyperbole that property values are going to plummet.

[snowballs]

Originally Posted by Daytimer

And yet for all the bluster, huffing and puffing, y'all still didn't bother addressing my point that residents would much prefer the retail traffic rather than apartment traffic. Are y'all just afraid of admitting to a 'Phrisceaux' 'tude?

As for the school zoning, show us some historical numbers. We have several concentrations of apartment complexes on Stonebrook, Preston, Wade, and Warren. How many kids are these complexes feeding into FISD? Are y'all really operating on the the belief that every one of the 1,400 units will be leased to a family with 2.5 children each?

And we're also concerned with how the complexes will look in ten years? See my question/point above - how do the apartment complexes on Stonebrook, Preston, and Wade look now? How are the property values of the homes in the surrounding neighborhoods?

Except I'll save y'all the mental exercise. When we explored the property values concern by asking for numbers (proof) - in the other threads - we got as far as admitting that we don't want to really delve into property values in the surrounding neighborhoods in and around Phri... Frisco because there are many other influences on property values; i.e.: nobody wants to really put in the effort to back up the hyperbole that property values are going to plummet.

The only hyperbole about property prices is being made up by you and others. Heck, I'd imagine that Trails residents would WANT some checks on the wildly increasing vaulation of their properties, especially these days. From the comment in the OP, the point may be valid when the numbers exceed the demand and that hasn't been clarified any further than "apartments are good" by this huge mystery movement of proponents.

So, let's recap ...

- you're against WalMart traffic (which was already zoned), but for some reason are behind the Apartment traffic? Not to mention it was evaluated for the WalMart, but not for this rezoning. Interesting.

- according to your own findings it won't make any difference in property values, but you're trying to make it part of the argument?

- you're accusing of people being intolerant of other classes, unless of course the condition exists that they happen to shop at WalMart

- You're against ill concieved city planning, unless it's an adjoining city then you celebrate the non-planning and outright ignoring of the basic reasoning / explanation because it affects a bunch of rich folks?

Seriously, everybody knows that there is a Phrisceaux tude, but the levels of ironically reverse snobbery/judgement/arrogance are showing up far more than the "oooo - icky apartments!" comments that you're imagining, and with very little substance behind it based on the glaring inconsistencies from the LE council (that they've admitted themselves on this very board). Also interesting that you won't address the curious comments about [lack of] demand, rather just deflect a parrallel situation, which was much less one-sided when it went to vote.

Wow.

[Rooster]

The whole class warfare arguement gives me tiredhead....

There are people who don't want me to live in there neighborhood. They don't want me in their country club unless I'm mowing the lawn.

So what?

Why on earth would I want to associate with people who don't want me there? It's not a referendum on my worth. Why would I possibly care?

[snowballs]

Good, so we can put that part to rest then and try to get the real questions answered.

[Daytimer]

Originally Posted by snowballs

The only hyperbole about property prices is being made up by you and others. Heck, I'd imagine that Trails residents would WANT some checks on the wildly increasing vaulation of their properties, especially these days. From the comment in the OP, the point may be valid when the numbers exceed the demand and that hasn't been clarified any further than "apartments are good" by this huge mystery movement of proponents.

So, let's recap ...

- you're against WalMart traffic (which was already zoned), but for some reason are behind the Apartment traffic? Not to mention it was evaluated for the WalMart, but not for this rezoning. Interesting.

- according to your own findings it won't make any difference in property values, but you're trying to make it part of the argument?

- you're accusing of people being intolerant of other classes, unless of course the condition exists that they happen to shop at WalMart

- You're against ill concieved city planning, unless it's an adjoining city then you celebrate the non-planning and outright ignoring of the basic reasoning / explanation because it affects a bunch of rich folks?

Seriously, everybody knows that there is a Phrisceaux tude, but the levels of ironically reverse snobbery/judgement/arrogance are showing up far more than the "oooo - icky apartments!" comments that you're imagining, and with very little substance behind it based on the glaring inconsistencies from the LE council (that they've admitted themselves on this very board). Also interesting that you won't address the curious comments about [lack of] demand, rather just deflect a parrallel situation, which was much less one-sided when it went to vote.

Wow.

That's a whole lotta typing just to show that you really don't have anything concrete and that you can't/won't be bothered to delve any further than the hysteria.

[snowballs]

IOW you can't take the heat. Understandably predictable.

[Daytimer]

Originally Posted by El Burro Loco

Your inability to address any subject without Immature mockery and hyperbole has always been your hallmark. I was not aware you were also adding dishonesty.

Coming from you, this is a compliment. I seem to remember you posting something [exactly] like:

Property values can decline for various reasons. Just because one area declines in the absence of MF housing does not mean that MF housing does not decrease property value.

That was you right? I wouldn't want to attribute that incorrectly. So what do you have that shows us that an apartment development like this is going decrease the neighborhood property values? So far, we haven't seen anything other than speculation to fuel the hysteria.

[Rooster]

Gosh. Seems to be a lot of conflict over this. If you don't live in the affected area....

....why on earth do you care?

[123]

I haven't read the whole thread, so not sure if this has been brought up.

There are numerous apartment complexes along Preston Rd in Plano that are in the vicinity of the million dollar homes of Willow Bend.

[TPW]

Originally Posted by 123

I haven't read the whole thread, so not sure if this has been brought up.

There are numerous apartment complexes along Preston Rd in Plano that are in the vicinity of the million dollar homes of Willow Bend.

We aren't discussing Plano so just how is that relevant?