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bizguy · 03-07-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by orchid

I think I'd like to not have to subsidize medication for all the lazy sods who have diabetes because they allowed themselves to become overweight. This is a far, far greater strain on our healthcare system than birth control.

How exactly does someone getting the pill as part of their insurance plan burden the taxpayer? And the cost of unwanted and unplanned pregnancy is much greater than the cost of birth control surely? In the grand scheme of things, probably makes good economic sense and provides medicine that a lot of women really need.

I get that some people will argue till the cows come home because they fundamentally believe birth control is wrong. No problem with that, and nobody is forcing them to use it. It's just not right to see people wanting to legislate based on their personal beliefs. The accountability has to be to all not just a few.

And all this stuff about abstinence, seriously. It's why we're here! Excercise those urges with a happy and willing partner. It's fun, it's good for your heart and it doesn't cost a whole lot (at least it shouldn't anyway!)

Don't be a simpleton. This is issue is not about women's health. It is about the mandate from the feds that all insurance plans cover contraception - regardless of the fact that the employer may have a religious objection to it. The rest of this debate is a distraction from this fundamental violation of the US Constitution.

OneVoice · 03-07-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bizguy

Don't be a simpleton. This is issue is not about women's health. It is about the mandate from the feds that all insurance plans cover contraception - regardless of the fact that the employer may have a religious objection to it. The rest of this debate is a distraction from this fundamental violation of the US Constitution.

+1

Besides, his/her argument is crap anyway because there is absolutely no guarantee that even 100% FREE contraception, will be used... unless the mighty Fed wants to mandate that as well...

whatsthat · 03-07-2012, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by orchid

How exactly does someone getting the pill as part of their insurance plan burden the taxpayer? And the cost of unwanted and unplanned pregnancy is much greater than the cost of birth control surely? In the grand scheme of things, probably makes good economic sense and provides medicine that a lot of women really need.

Well it wont hit tax payers pockets directly thru taxes....but the cost to insurance companies WILL be passed on to the rest of us. Do you really think insurance companies will take the hit without passing on the cost? Here is Obama supposedly fighting high insurance costs......then adds another reason for insurance costs to go up. Brilliant.

Also...there is a constitutional issue. Where does the Govt get the right to mandate busineses to give away products for free? where does it stop? whats next? free bread from grocers?

My issue is

1) free
2) not within govt power to mandate
3) religious violations

orchid · 03-07-2012, 01:42 PM

Wow, my first post here and personal abuse already.

I'll avoid this section for now I think.

TexasLonghorn94 · 03-07-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bizguy

Don't be a simpleton. This is issue is not about women's health. It is about the mandate from the feds that all insurance plans cover contraception - regardless of the fact that the employer may have a religious objection to it. The rest of this debate is a distraction from this fundamental violation of the US Constitution.

Bingo ! I don't care if an insurance company or employer wants to offer birth control or not. I care that Obama and the Dems are violating the US Constitution by mandating that we all have heath insurance and then mandating what product employers and insurers must provide. This bill has been a huge disaster that will cost the taxpayers trillions we do not have.

rawhide · 03-07-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by orchid

I think I'd like to not have to subsidize medication for all the lazy sods who have diabetes because they allowed themselves to become overweight. This is a far, far greater strain on our healthcare system than birth control.

How exactly does someone getting the pill as part of their insurance plan burden the taxpayer? And the cost of unwanted and unplanned pregnancy is much greater than the cost of birth control surely? In the grand scheme of things, probably makes good economic sense and provides medicine that a lot of women really need.

I get that some people will argue till the cows come home because they fundamentally believe birth control is wrong. No problem with that, and nobody is forcing them to use it. It's just not right to see people wanting to legislate based on their personal beliefs. The accountability has to be to all not just a few.

And all this stuff about abstinence, seriously. It's why we're here! Excercise those urges with a happy and willing partner. It's fun, it's good for your heart and it doesn't cost a whole lot (at least it shouldn't anyway!)

Orchis, I agree with you on the diabetes. Depending on the patient, the tax-payer already does fund the medications for diabetes. That expenditure is only going to get worse.

As far as BC pills, the Fed Gov is now mandating that health insurance plans provide BC pills as part of their coverage, period. Even if it goes against the core values of the corporation or non-profit corporation.

That is the main issue.

How does the Fed Gov justify mandating a corporation to provide x, y, and z to its employees?

GoodAg · 03-07-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by orchid

I get that some people will argue till the cows come home because they fundamentally believe birth control is wrong. No problem with that, and nobody is forcing them to use it. It's just not right to see people wanting to legislate based on their personal beliefs. The accountability has to be to all not just a few.

I agree with you 100%!

Which is exactly why someone who does not believe in birth control should *NOT* be forced to provide it for someone who does. Super that we agree on that!

Singapore Sling · 03-07-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by orchid

Wow, my first post here and personal abuse already.

I'll avoid this section for now I think.

Good idea. You have already proven you are too thin skinned & hyper-sensative to post here.

When people post illogical posts here that display little actual understanding of the issue, they are usually enlightened & it usually isn't a butt kissing. If that is what you want, this isn't the place for it.