2am and Liquor sales in Frisco

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Originally Posted by nicker

If we can eradicate one single useless trite saying from the english language I dearly wish this would be it. The minute these words drip off someone's lips you can bet it's associated with some kind of freedom curbing, knee jerk, Fascist/Socialist legislation that will inconvenience dozens of people. This over-dramatic morally superior saying is trotted out in the most well meaning way, of course, in hopes that nobody would DARE suggest it's okay that even one person dies.

If we can prevent one fatality...it's NOT worth it. Not even if it was me!

(I don't want people dying. I want them making smart choices and being responsible with the freedoms and priviledges they have. It is simply wrong to cut off everyone because of the stupidity of a few. Those who make the wrong choices, however, do serve a purpose in society as a warning to the rest of the herd what can happen. I dont' want to see innocent people pay the price for the reckless behavior of others either, but, dang it, you simply can't legislate away all the ways harm can come to people. Be it speeding, alcohol, the recklessness of a corporate executive whose products kill,etc)

Very well said!!!!!!!

[kenny6]

Originally Posted by Frisco Girl

There are a lot of reasons teenagers might be on the road at that time. When they turn 17, they are no longer under curfew so they might be going to Prom for instance. It’s Prom time right now and there will be hundreds of teens from all the high schools out at those late hours. Even if they carpool or rent a limo, they will still be on the roads.

There are also midnight movie premiers that when a new movie opens like the Hunger Games just did, kids will get together and go see the movie and not get out until 2:30am or so. Even a regular movie that’s been out for awhile might not start until 11:30 so that’s not much better.

Another kid might be out late coming home from their job that is helping pay for their college education.

On a school break, they might all get together to go laser bowling or something which typically doesn’t start until after midnight. When they’re done, it might be 2-3am and then they might even go to Taco Bell or IHOP to grab a bite to eat.

Could be any number of reasons but as long as they are 17 and not under curfew, they have as much right to be out as anyone else does.

Man oh man! somehow I missed this from a few weeks ago. Must have skipped a page or something. Just referenced this thread to make sure I was talking to the same person in the Jane McGarry (sp?) thread.

Are you kidding me?? Sure there are plenty of reasons a teen could be out after midnight, but thats not the point is it?? Why are they out when they don't have to be?? Every activity you named could be done waayy before midnight. Lazer tag, really? Last time I was at Main Event they were playing at 6pm, so there, go earlier. Movie premieres...another joke. Why do they have to be the first one to see a stupid movie?? Go Sat afternoon. Minimum wage jobs are a dime a dozen around here. Find one that doesn't require late hours.

If you are so aware of the statistics and believe it is so dangerous then forego those hours and stay home. Simple! It doesn't have anything to do with curfew either.

There are a lot of things I could do too, like get drunk and drive late at night. But I shouldn't and don't do it. Get it??? Thats the point.

You are pushing your agenda on everyone else because of what you believe and that is not right.

[kenny6]

Originally Posted by Frisco Girl

I sincerely hope you don’t mean that.

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Sure, I meant that. I didn't mean me specifically, but anyone who is 21 and can go to a bar could do that. Why is it so hard for some of you to realize that ppl can get drunk at anytime of the day? It doesn't have to be between 12-2am. Anyone can get just as drunk at 3pm as they can at 2am. So your little laws are pointless.

Originally Posted by Frisco Girl

The statistics I posted from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration prove otherwise.

Ok whatever. Since you like statistics, here are some for you... http://www.alcoholalert.com/drunk-dr...tatistics.html
Now riddle me this. In Texas, with all of its puritan liquor laws why does it have the most alcohol related fatalities?? Percentage wise there are only 3-4 other states higher and they are all very low population states. Even Louisiana has less % of fatatlities. I grew up there and all the bars stay open til 2am every night of the week, not just weekends, some of them even stay open til 4am! I know...the horror!! And I'm not talking about New Orleans. Trust me, I can make a well educated guess and tell you that La. has some of the most drinkers per capita of any state. So the fact that Texas is worse is pretty bad. LOL

Originally Posted by Frisco Girl

I did that. I moved here when Frisco WAS the sticks with a population of only 5000, and then later when the 2am issue came up, I didn’t just sit on the sidelines; I got involved. I signed the petition, I went to the meetings, I made phone calls, I sent emails, I talked with neighbors and co-workers, I posted a yard sign in my yard, and I VOTED. From the outcome of the vote, it seems I DIDN’T pick a place to live where people have different ideals than me. Maybe YOU did.

No, I didn't move here to make ppl do what I want them to do. If that is what the majority wants then fine. I can live with it. I'm too old to be sitting in bars anyway. But I'm not the one going to meetings, making phone calls, signing petitions etc. like you are. I'm not gonna go on a crusade to make the whole town do what I want it to do. Obviously something happened that made the law change, I don't know all the details but I think council thought it was a good idea for the growth of the city.

In case you didn't notice Frisco is not 5000 ppl anymore and it never will be again. Those old laws don't fit the growth of the town anymore and they need to go. If you don't like the growth and change then there are plenty of little towns where they live in the stone ages that you can move to and they probably won't ever change. We are in the metroplex of the 5th or 6th biggest city in the US. Get a grip....

The main point is that those laws are hurting Frisco more than they are helping it. I know you will never change your beliefs, but that is the way it is. Like it or not.

Originally Posted by Frisco Girl

You might be surprised to hear this but FOL is not the be all and end all of Frisco. FOL is its own little bubble. Just because FOLers are overwhelmingly in favor of 2am sales does not mean that the general populace is. When I was campaigning against 2am sales and speaking with all those people, there was only one person who said she was in favor of 2am sales. One.
Things will change as the demographic changes and 2am sales are probably inevitable but for now, I thought that was rather telling.

One person? Really? I guess you didn't knock on my door or anyone else here on FOL. LOL. And I do realize FOL is only a small portion of Frisco. I'd be willing to bet you knew exactly who to call and whose door to knock on because I'm sure I could do the exact same thing and get the opposite results. I guess I'm just not that much of a nutjob to go through all that trouble for something so trivial.

[Frisco Girl]

Originally Posted by kenny6

Man oh man! somehow I missed this from a few weeks ago. Must have skipped a page or something. Just referenced this thread to make sure I was talking to the same person in the Jane McGarry (sp?) thread.

Are you kidding me?? Sure there are plenty of reasons a teen could be out after midnight, but thats not the point is it?? Why are they out when they don't have to be?? Every activity you named could be done waayy before midnight. Lazer tag, really? Last time I was at Main Event they were playing at 6pm, so there, go earlier. Movie premieres...another joke. Why do they have to be the first one to see a stupid movie?? Go Sat afternoon. Minimum wage jobs are a dime a dozen around here. Find one that doesn't require late hours.

If you are so aware of the statistics and believe it is so dangerous then forego those hours and stay home. Simple! It doesn't have anything to do with curfew either.

There are a lot of things I could do too, like get drunk and drive late at night. But I shouldn't and don't do it. Get it??? Thats the point.

You are pushing your agenda on everyone else because of what you believe and that is not right.

What are you talking about? You asked why a teenager would possibly be out after midnight and I answered the question. Sorry you didn't like my answer but there are many reasons and it is completely within their rights whether you like it or not or agree with why they are out or not.

Did you also know that it is legal for 18 year olds to gamble at the casino across the state line in Oklahoma and that many Frisco teens go up there on weekends or on breaks? I was very surprised to hear this but it's true. We're not gamblers and don't necessarily think that's the greatest thing but if someone else's kid wants to do it, that's entirely their perogative. The casino does not serve free alcohol so it is legal for 18 year olds.

Do you have kids? Are you going to keep them locked up when they are teenagers? Are you going to refuse to let them go to prom? You can't keep them locked up forever. Sorry but most teenagers don't want to go to the Saturday matinee or play laser tag in the afternoon. That's just the way it is.

[kenny6]

Originally Posted by Frisco Girl

What are you talking about? You asked why a teenager would possibly be out after midnight and I answered the question. Sorry you didn't like my answer but there are many reasons and it is completely within their rights whether you like it or not or agree with why they are out or not.

You just don't get it do you? I'm fully aware of the reasons a teen could be out. This is not about their rights or what I agree with either. That is not the point.

If you believe so strongly in the dangers of drunk drivers at that hour then why don't you instill those beliefs in your teen? Nope. Instead you go on a city wide crusade to over-turn a law that makes bars close an hour earlier so you can feel that your kid will be safer when they are gallivanting around town at late hours. Nice.

Originally Posted by Frisco Girl

Did you also know that it is legal for 18 year olds to gamble at the casino across the state line in Oklahoma and that many Frisco teens go up there on weekends or on breaks? I was very surprised to hear this but it's true. We're not gamblers and don't necessarily think that's the greatest thing but if someone else's kid wants to do it, that's entirely their perogative. The casino does not serve free alcohol so it is legal for 18 year olds.

Do you have kids? Are you going to keep them locked up when they are teenagers? Are you going to refuse to let them go to prom? You can't keep them locked up forever. Sorry but most teenagers don't want to go to the Saturday matinee or play laser tag in the afternoon. That's just the way it is.

I could care less what other people's teens are doing. I'm not like you...obviously.....

No, I'm not gonna keep my kids locked up, but if other ppl are doing things that I don't agree with at the time my kids are out then I'm gonna talk to my kid about it, not try to make other ppl change their lives to benefit my kid.

[Frisco Girl]

Kenny, if getting involved makes me a “nutjob”, so be it. I’d much rather put forth some effort for causes or candidates I believe in rather than sitting on the sidelines doing nothing except complaining on a message board about how I didn’t get my way.

Look, there have been plenty of votes over the years that didn’t turn out like I wanted but such is life. I’m not gonna get my way every time. You have to accept the will of the people and move on. Frisco is much more family oriented than most places so it shouldn’t come as a big surprise for a person who moves here. I don’t know why anyone would move here expecting to change that. I wouldn’t move to Addison or the Village or down by Harry Hines and expect people to conform to me. It's nonsensical.

I’m sorry you’re having such a hard time with this but the vote was 3 years ago; it’s over and done with. The people voted. At some point you have to move on and come to terms with that and find some peace. You’re gonna give yourself a stroke obsessing over this. Go buy yourself a bottle and chill out at home. You’ll feel better.

[kenny6]

Maybe you need to read a little better. I'm not obsessing over it, and I've already said it doesn't really matter to me if the law remains as it is. I couldn't even tell you the last time I was in a bar after 8pm, much less after midnight.

Yes, you are the one obsessing over it and acting like a nutjob if you do all of those things you mentioned to over turn a law that is pointless and keeps bars closed for one or two extra hours.

I'm not the one trying to change things, you are, by keeping them the same! The town is growing and changing and you are trying to keep it in the stone ages, that is what is nonsensical! I'm not the one changing the town, the growing population is. You are the one who needs to move on if you don't like it. I promise you Frisco will never go back to being a little hick town of 5000 ppl.

[kenny6]

BTW, 3 yrs ago I lived in N Plano, not Frisco so I wouldn't have been able to vote on that anyway.

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Originally Posted by Frisco Girl

There are a lot of reasons teenagers might be on the road at that time. When they turn 17, they are no longer under curfew so they might be going to Prom for instance. It’s Prom time right now and there will be hundreds of teens from all the high schools out at those late hours. Even if they carpool or rent a limo, they will still be on the roads.

There are also midnight movie premiers that when a new movie opens like the Hunger Games just did, kids will get together and go see the movie and not get out until 2:30am or so. Even a regular movie that’s been out for awhile might not start until 11:30 so that’s not much better.

Another kid might be out late coming home from their job that is helping pay for their college education.

On a school break, they might all get together to go laser bowling or something which typically doesn’t start until after midnight. When they’re done, it might be 2-3am and then they might even go to Taco Bell or IHOP to grab a bite to eat.

Could be any number of reasons but as long as they are 17 and not under curfew, they have as much right to be out as anyone else does.

First of all those teenss that you speak about most likley are not hanging in frisco! TThey are all in plano where the 2 am law has already passed! Besides The movies, When the last movie is at 11pm everything closes at 12am so I guess I am confused on why you are so against the sales of liquor after 2 am in frisco! Hell half of them were trying to get into my rest. after 10pm until I got a door man to check ID's! I will assure you that any place that has a DJ late at night the 18 yr olds flock! So places like Ra or Nann and even Zin have cracked down on carding at the door and even carding people after a certain hour because these kids will get thier around 9 pm or so and just hang out all night ordering cokes and spiking them in the bathroom with the booze they snuck in!