Would you recall any of our elected officials ?

[Piiilot]

The City Charter allows for a recall election in the event of incompetence, misconduct or malfeasance. A recall election is a process where voters are allowed to remove an elected or appointed official from office. It requires a petition with signatures equivalent to 30 percent of the voters from the last mayors election. In our case, there were around 10,000 voters, so the petition would require roughly 3,000 signatures.
Is the handling of our water service a significant enough issue to recall someone ?

What about Exide ? What about the lawsuit over the liquor vote in Denton County ? Buying the land to keep a liquor store from coming in ? How about Cheney wasting money on his committee to take over youth sports ? Those are just some of my personal favorites, i am sure you all have your own, good or bad - but at what point do you say time to get their attention.

The way it works is a petition is submitted the targeted official has a right to either resign, ask for a public hearing, or let the vote go forward. When the votes is held it is a yes or no vote - can they keep their job or not ?

What are your thoughts ? What would it take for you to recall someone ?


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[tcgop]

I am opposed to recall elections. When an election is held, the people speak by casting ballots. Elections themselves serve as a "job appraisal" of sorts. Recall elections promote the fact that special interest groups can, in essence, attempt to derail the voice of those that elected a candidate. For those that have concerns about the performance of those currently in office, an option is always open to run for office. Get involved with local organizations that are closely aligned with the concerns that you have. Additionally, re-call elections cost money. Communities across the nation, of all sizes, are facing tough decisions regarding budgets. The cost incurred holding a special election can be better used in a variety of city services.

[bizguy]

Originally Posted by tcgop

I am opposed to recall elections. When an election is held, the people speak by casting ballots. Elections themselves serve as a "job appraisal" of sorts. Recall elections promote the fact that special interest groups can, in essence, attempt to derail the voice of those that elected a candidate. For those that have concerns about the performance of those currently in office, an option is always open to run for office. Get involved with local organizations that are closely aligned with the concerns that you have. Additionally, re-call elections cost money. Communities across the nation, of all sizes, are facing tough decisions regarding budgets. The cost incurred holding a special election can be better used in a variety of city services.

I kinda agree with you... but I also think there should be a mechanism for the public to recall appointed positions / hired help. There are dozens and dozens of appointments to boards and intergovernmental task forces that have very little public oversight today. Most of the rules you have to live by are not put in place by elected officials, rather from a multiplicity of bureaucracies that function pretty much independently of the public...

[Informed citizen]

Originally Posted by Piiilot

The City Charter allows for a recall election in the event of incompetence, misconduct or malfeasance. A recall election is a process where voters are allowed to remove an elected or appointed official from office. It requires a petition with signatures equivalent to 30 percent of the voters from the last mayors election. In our case, there were around 10,000 voters, so the petition would require roughly 3,000 signatures.
Is the handling of our water service a significant enough issue to recall someone ?

What about Exide ? What about the lawsuit over the liquor vote in Denton County ? Buying the land to keep a liquor store from coming in ? How about Cheney wasting money on his committee to take over youth sports ? Those are just some of my personal favorites, i am sure you all have your own, good or bad - but at what point do you say time to get their attention.

The way it works is a petition is submitted the targeted official has a right to either resign, ask for a public hearing, or let the vote go forward. When the votes is held it is a yes or no vote - can they keep their job or not ?

What are your thoughts ? What would it take for you to recall someone ?


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I get it now. You like to stir things up don't you? You point fingers, rather than rolling up your sleeves, learning and doing something about the real issues this city is facing. Also, you do know this is Jeff Cheney's web site? Aren't you one of the moderator of this site? You puzzle me as a resident, citizen of Frisco. Look up the meaning of community and citizenship.

[bizguy]

Originally Posted by Informed citizen

I get it now. You like to stir things up don't you? You point fingers, rather than rolling up your sleeves, learning and doing something about the real issues this city is facing. Also, you do know this is Jeff Cheney's web site? Aren't you one of the moderator of this site? You puzzle me as a resident, citizen of Frisco. Look up the meaning of community and citizenship.

as soon as you look up the definition of "informed"... and stop lying...

you are definitely showing signs of being a kool-aid drinking crack-pot....

[Piiilot]

Originally Posted by Informed citizen

I get it now. You like to stir things up don't you? You point fingers, rather than rolling up your sleeves, learning and doing something about the real issues this city is facing. Also, you do know this is Jeff Cheney's web site? Aren't you one of the moderator of this site? You puzzle me as a resident, citizen of Frisco. Look up the meaning of community and citizenship.

OH No this Jeff's website ? Really ? Oh my what will I do now ? Oh Gosh I am scared now !
I am not a moderator, if I was I would boot you. Yes I know this is his website. He is a big boy and does not need you to worry about him. He is a big boy and can more than hold his own on here.

[Informed citizen]

Originally Posted by Piiilot

OH No this Jeff's website ? Really ? Oh my what will I do now ? Oh Gosh I am scared now !
I am not a moderator, if I was I would boot you. Yes I know this is his website. He is a big boy and does not need you to worry about him. He is a big boy and can more than hold his own on here.

Boot me out for what stating the facts about Exide, lead, emissions, blood testing etc from Experts.... or for not agreeing with your opinions and remarks. hhhmmm???? You have been insulting and not only to me either. I have reported several posters as abusive on FOL and not any of them regarding my posts either.

Since I started replying to posts/threads that were previously started by someone else on this site, I've see a pattern of replies from several posters that are pro-Exide and make "prove it or go away" statements. When the opposing (anti-Exide) poster replies with links and posts articles by EXPERTS as "proof" of their argument - you ignore the facts presented and go on the personal attack. Now that is very sad as we have a real problem here in Frisco. Those who want to solve it (especially on behalf of others) have just as much right to post their facts as you do to post your opinions. You guys can knock yourselves out.. have at each other. I have grown tired of this FOL. There won't be much of Frisco when you are the only ones left here. obtw- There will not be economic growth as long as Exide remains in operation here. The TRUTH is getting out there so you guys can be the last man standing- Go back to your cabins boys and good luck to all the die hard pro- Exide, uninformed, nasty posters.

[Piiilot]

Originally Posted by Informed citizen

Boot me out for what stating the facts about Exide, lead, emissions, blood testing etc from Experts.... or for not agreeing with your opinions and remarks. hhhmmm???? You have been insulting and not only to me either. I have reported several posters as abusive on FOL and not any of them regarding my posts either.

Since I started replying to posts/threads that were previously started by someone else on this site, I've see a pattern of replies from several posters that are pro-Exide and make "prove it or go away" statements. When the opposing (anti-Exide) poster replies with links and posts articles by EXPERTS as "proof" of their argument - you ignore the facts presented and go on the personal attack. Now that is very sad as we have a real problem here in Frisco. Those who want to solve it (especially on behalf of others) have just as much right to post their facts as you do to post your opinions. You guys can knock yourselves out.. have at each other. I have grown tired of this FOL. There won't be much of Frisco when you are the only ones left here. obtw- There will not be economic growth as long as Exide remains in operation here. The TRUTH is getting out there so you guys can be the last man standing- Go back to your cabins boys and good luck to all the die hard pro- Exide, uninformed, nasty posters.

Ok so does this mean you are finally going away ? If there was no growth maybe we could water our lawns. You don't seem to know the difference between fact and Rhetoric. Is it too much to ask for proof ? who appointed you to look after everyone else ?


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[bizguy]

Originally Posted by Informed citizen

Boot me out for what stating the facts about Exide, lead, emissions, blood testing etc from Experts.... or for not agreeing with your opinions and remarks. hhhmmm???? You have been insulting and not only to me either. I have reported several posters as abusive on FOL and not any of them regarding my posts either.

Since I started replying to posts/threads that were previously started by someone else on this site, I've see a pattern of replies from several posters that are pro-Exide and make "prove it or go away" statements. When the opposing (anti-Exide) poster replies with links and posts articles by EXPERTS as "proof" of their argument - you ignore the facts presented and go on the personal attack. Now that is very sad as we have a real problem here in Frisco. Those who want to solve it (especially on behalf of others) have just as much right to post their facts as you do to post your opinions. You guys can knock yourselves out.. have at each other. I have grown tired of this FOL. There won't be much of Frisco when you are the only ones left here. obtw- There will not be economic growth as long as Exide remains in operation here. The TRUTH is getting out there so you guys can be the last man standing- Go back to your cabins boys and good luck to all the die hard pro- Exide, uninformed, nasty posters.

One last time - please bring forth anyone harmed by Exide over the previous 40 years of more lax emission standards than what they are attempting achieve... still got nothing do you... mmkay - bye bye then...

[Rebel]

Originally Posted by bizguy

I kinda agree with you... but I also think there should be a mechanism for the public to recall appointed positions / hired help. There are dozens and dozens of appointments to boards and intergovernmental task forces that have very little public oversight today. Most of the rules you have to live by are not put in place by elected officials, rather from a multiplicity of bureaucracies that function pretty much independently of the public...

The problem with this is then you get more and more special factions that start trying to recall/fire this person, that person, etc on a whim because they don't like the decision on a given item.

Similar to CA and the ease at which they can make constitutional ammendments. It creates conflicting issues, and a mess in general.

That's not exactly the type of situation I'd like to see us in.

When it comes to Staff they follow the direction and guidance of council. If there's some policy or ordinance that doesn't make sense, chances are it leads back to some guidance or ordinance that council passed. When it comes to the appointed boards and commissions, they are recommending boards, I can't think of anything, at the moment, that doesn't come back through council at some point, or in some manner for approval.