Stonebrook Parkway Section 8

[MSJ]

Originally Posted by Kenda

How can the city NOT know the answers to New Texan's questions?

Maybe she should ask the city and not FOL. That being said I'm really disappointed in Rebel's don't know, It's possible and You'd have to ask them.

Dude your slaking, your the one that's supposed to know everything.

[Rebel]

Originally Posted by MSJ

Maybe she should ask the city and not FOL. That being said I'm really disappointed in Rebel's don't know, It's possible and You'd have to ask them.

Dude your slaking, your the one that's supposed to know everything.

I've been meaning to follow up on it, just haven't had a chance recently.

[Pookie1263]

They put a chain link fence up between my neighborhood and the building. Lots of big dirt mounds being moved around, so they are definitely starting this. I wrote a note to the owner because I had some questions about the fence they will be building and security things. Of course, as expected, I have not gotten a response. As soon as I do, I'll share.

I am really bummed about this, but as previous posters have stated...if the developer/owner decides to allow the vouchers, there isn't anything we can do but sell our homes, or stay and deal with what comes with that.

[Momplus4]

Originally Posted by Pookie1263

They put a chain link fence up between my neighborhood and the building. Lots of big dirt mounds being moved around, so they are definitely starting this. I wrote a note to the owner because I had some questions about the fence they will be building and security things. Of course, as expected, I have not gotten a response. As soon as I do, I'll share.

I am really bummed about this, but as previous posters have stated...if the developer/owner decides to allow the vouchers, there isn't anything we can do but sell our homes, or stay and deal with what comes with that.

You do realize that apartments and home in this area already accept some section 8.

If I wanted to rent my home tomorrow, I could apply to be a section 8 landlord.

[NewTexan]

Originally Posted by Momplus4

You do realize that apartments and home in this area already accept some section 8.

If I wanted to rent my home tomorrow, I could apply to be a section 8 landlord.

If the ICP plan goes forward, these are not Frisco residents moving to another part of Frisco. They will be Dallas residents recuited by attorneys from the ICP. Also, there is currently no high density S8 in Frisco. This development would change that.

[Pookie1263]

I have briefly spoken to the owner of the development after writing him about the concerns I had regarding security etc.... He responded via email with verbiage below, in addition, he sent me the guidelines that residents ALL residents will sign. In addition, he is going to coordinate a meeting with the surrounding communities somewhere in Frisco, to address their concerns.

His response to me via e-mail:

I wanted to respond to your email regarding your concerns about the development of North Court Villas located at 8275 Stonebrook Parkway, Frisco, TX. I’d like to take this opportunity to assure you that as the owner of North Court Villas I share you concerns. North Court Villas neither intends nor desires to rent units to individuals that have criminal backgrounds nor does it intend nor desire to abide by renters (or their guests) that engage in criminal activity. North Court Villas will be managed with policies and procedures that demonstrate the intent and desire to operate with professionalism while providing home and community in a safe environment. I have attached the criteria renters will have to meet for your convenience.

I would also like to note that North Court Villas will actively market to eligible low-income tenants including Section 8 voucher holders. North Court Villas will accept, or deny, Section 8 voucher holders based on the same rental criteria as non-section 8 tenants. North Court Villas is prohibited from discriminating against Section 8 voucher holders based solely on that status. Therefore, North Court Villas will abide by all laws governing Section 8 voucher holders as well as the federal Fair Housing Act.

Please feel free to contact me with any additional concerns you might have.

Thanks


HIS ATTACHMENT ON RESIDENT QUALIFYING CRITERIA:

(Property Name) is committed to compliance with all federal, state and local fair housing laws. It is our policy to offer apartments for rental to the general public without regard to race, color, national origin, religion, sex, familial status, handicap or any other state or locally protected classifications. In order to assist you with your decision on your new home, we are providing a list of guidelines used to qualify residents for residency in our community.

Please note this is our current rental criteria; nothing contained in these requirements shall constitute a guarantee or representation that all residents and occupants currently residing at the Apartments have met these requirements. There may be residents and occupants that have resided in the community prior to these requirements being in effect. In addition, our ability to verify whether these requirements have been met is limited to the information we receive from various credit/criminal reporting services used.

Please review this information before filling out an application and paying an application fee, which is non-refundable.

1. A separate rental application must be fully completed, dated and signed by each applicant 18 and older and all co-applicants. Spouses can complete one rental application.

2. Each applicant must provide a government photo identification and allow it to be photocopied.

3. Employment and monthly income must be verifiable. Total monthly income of all applicants must be _____ times monthly rent. (Otherwise, a guarantor is necessary.)

4. Applicants who are first-time renters or who do not have sufficient income under paragraph 3 above, may qualify by having the lease guaranteed by a guarantor. The guarantor must have a gross monthly income of at least _____ times the monthly rent and must meet all other qualifying criteria. The guarantor must complete and sign a lease guaranty agreement. Guarantors may be held responsible for all of the lease obligations, including the entire rent and other costs, such as damages, even if you have roommates.

5. If applicant’s family will be occupying the dwelling, the family size must be appropriate for the available apartment, i.e., no more than two adults per bedroom, in most circumstances. See our attached family occupancy policy, covering various sizes and configurations of units and children’s ages during the lease term.

6. Applicant(s) may be denied occupancy for the following reasons:
Falsification of application by any applicant
Incomplete application by any applicant
Insufficient income (total of all applicants)
Criminal conviction history of violent or sexual crime committed by any applicant or by other occupants (including children) who plan to live in unit
Poor credit history of any applicant (credit reports are obtained; previous bankruptcy requires an additional security deposit equal to one month’s rent)
Poor rental profile of any applicant (rental history reports are obtained). Rental history of:
Non-payment or frequent late payment of rent
Eviction
Drug use
Poor housekeeping, damage to premises
Unruly or destructive behavior by applicant, applicant’s children or applicant’s guests
Violence to persons or property by applicant, applicant’s children or applicant’s guests


I ACKNOWLEDGE I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE PROPERTY’S RENTAL SELECTION CRITERIA, WHICH INCLUDES REASONS WHY MY APPLICATION MAY BE DENIED, SUCH AS CRIMINAL HISTORY, CREDIT HISTORY, INCOME, AND RENTAL HISTORY. I UNDERSTAND IF I DO NOT MEET THE PROPERTY’S RENTAL SELECTION CRITERIA OR IF I FAIL TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION OR GIVE FALSE INFORMATION, THE PROPERTY MAY REJECT THE APPLICATION, RETAIN ALL APPLICATION FEES, ADMINISTRATIVE FEES, AND DEPOSITS AS LIQUIDATED DAMAGES FOR ITS TIME AND EXPENSE, AND TERMINATE MY RIGHT OF OCCUPANCY.

______________________________ ______________ ______________________________ ______________
Applicant Date Applicant Date

______________________________ ______________
Applicant Date

______________________________ ______________ ______________________________ ______________
Applicant Date Owner’s Representative Date

[JWBurns]

He sure does use the word "intent" a lot in that email doesn't he?

The bottom line is that the guidelines for renters are a joke. Anyone can come in with a clean record, and then have 5 of their closest convicted family and friends come move in.

I think that area is a disaster waiting to happen, and I feel for those that own property nearby.

Doubtful any councilmen, the mayor, or judges live nearby, huh.

[friscomatt]

Originally Posted by JWBurns

He sure does use the word "intent" a lot in that email doesn't he?

The bottom line is that the guidelines for renters are a joke. Anyone can come in with a clean record, and then have 5 of their closest convicted family and friends come move in.

I think that area is a disaster waiting to happen, and I feel for those that own property nearby.

Doubtful any councilmen, the mayor, or judges live nearby, huh.

Do you think all your criteria should apply to anyone wanting to buy any home in your neighborhood? Should your neighbors have to check with you and have background checks done on anyone they want to live with them? For that matter, should you have to check with your neighbors before you have anyone live with you?
No, you only want it to apply to those dirty filthy section 8 apartment dwellers.
Elitist.
Do I want criminals living next to me...of course not. But I also believe in America, and privacy rights.

[Pookie1263]

Originally Posted by friscomatt

Do you think all your criteria should apply to anyone wanting to buy any home in your neighborhood? Should your neighbors have to check with you and have background checks done on anyone they want to live with them? For that matter, should you have to check with your neighbors before you have anyone live with you?
No, you only want it to apply to those dirty filthy section 8 apartment dwellers.
Elitist.
Do I want criminals living next to me...of course not. But I also believe in America, and privacy rights.

Well, we do have credit checks when we buy our homes, and we are scrutinized financially by the banks to purchase our homes. I think the issue is, that these apartments (25% of them) are subsidized with our tax dollars. We all work very hard for our money to buy the homes we live in and the things we have. I, personally, have experienced living fairly close to subsidized housing/voucher types of developments, and have found from personal experience, that crime does increase. With that being said, if there wasn't common knowledge about the increase in crime around these types of developments, then we probably wouldn't be questioning this type of development in our backyard. We pay with our tax dollars and we certainly are not getting a good return on our investment with Uncle Sam when there are known issues with section 8/vouchers moving into a neighborhood. It may sound elitist to say that we don't want "them" in our neighborhood, but it's hard to ignore what has happened at other locations with with voucher residents. We know the affects on schools, crime etc...

They are doing the same type of checks for people that are NOT using vouchers. Every resident in that complex will go through the same background check. The people in those apartments will probably have more "checks" than I did when I bought my home. Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that when you are getting free money from the tax payer, we expect it to be used wisely and without any issues. As we all know, that's not always the case, specifically with section 8/vouchers, welfare and any other government subsidies using our tax money.

I am on the fence on whether to sell my home in that area. I love the neighbors, but I am so very leery about staying in that location (between Preston and the Tollway), knowing what's going to come down the road. I've, unfortunately been in this situation in the Chicago area, and it wasn't fun.

So, I am sorry you think the previous poster sounded elitist, or that I may sound that way, but it is a great concern for those of us that have experienced a voucher environment and live in this area where this type of housing is going in. It's a valid concern by many who live in homes in that area. Stonebrook Estates, Chapel Creek etc...

Our choice at this point is to stay and put increased security around our homes and live with it, or get out. Two choices, but difficult ones to make. This post is not meant to offend people, but make us a bit more aware and have open discussions about it.

I'll get off my soap box for now!

[friscomatt]

Originally Posted by Pookie1263

Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that when you are getting free money from the tax payer, we expect it to be used wisely and without any issues.

I love the insinuation here that "section 8" people are some different species getting free money. They are using a system that was designed to help those that sometimes can't help themselves. Is it abused? Sure, just like many other systems put in place. But to paint with a wide brush that all "section 8" are the same is offensive. Maybe you're not aware, but a disabled veteran could potentially qualify for section 8 housing if their income was below a certain level. I guess they are in "that" same class to you? Even YOU could qualify and you fell on hard times (SHUDDER THE THOUGHT!)

Originally Posted by Pookie1263

Our choice at this point is to stay and put increased security around our homes and live with it, or get out.

Only two choices...wow.