Frisco Square is Cursed!

[bizguy]

Originally Posted by Bluegill

What's wrong with allowing 2am and letting the operator decide? No one HAS to stay open that late. In fact they probably won't. But they should have the option to if they want and those one or two days a year they can.

Your argument assumes they will stay open until 2am every day of the year just for the benefit of a couple of special days. That doesn't fly. They could just as easily close at midnight or 10pm or whenever and then stay open late on special occasions.

But they can't do that and there's no good reason why - by your own argument it wouldn't be profitable for them to do so 99% of the time.

Read my post all the way through to the end... I believe I said exactly that...

[Sticky Davis]

Originally Posted by Rebel

Nobody is getting kicked out.

But as people sell homes, move, etc, the area is zoned in such a manner as to encourge re-development to bring more businesses (and people) to the area.

Yep stryker, no one is being forced out - however investors have been buying up those blocks in recent years - and if the current owners want to cash out now, it's certainly their prerogative. Elm Street (and 5th street) are slowly becoming desirable downtown business addresses as an alternative to Main Street. Some of those homes will be remodeled -I know someone who is considering using one as an art gallery - but others will be torn down and replaced with two story multi-use buildings (partially residential and commercial.)

[Mateo]

Originally Posted by PugLover

Isn't Brothers II going in just across from Frisco Square?

That's II Brothers http://iibrothers.com/

[pitakelly13]

Originally Posted by Sticky Davis

All excellent ideas pita for FS businesses. I've always wanted to put in an old fashioned soda fountain - like we used to have at Curtsinger's Drugstore - that would serve breakfast, lunch and then basically act as a dessert (Pies!) place to go after the movies, dinner, etc. the rest of the day. A place with Frisco history hanging on the walls - a place to take out of town visitors. Might as well call it "Curtsinger's" while we're at it. The perfect place would be the dance studio space (with the nice covered area for small tables or rockers looking out at Simpson Plaza) once they move out - they're planning to build their own building at some point.

Anyone want to partner?

Sounds awesome! Over the holiday weekend we went to Shreveport and came back the long way. Yesterday we stopped at two amazing places that sound just like what you have in mind:
http://strawnseatshop.com/?page_id=2
http://www.bejesdiner.com/index.html

Strawn's I found through either Southern Living or Food Network, Beje's was just a lucky find but as a former New Yorker I'm always drawn to chromed linoleum tables and red or turquoise vinyl chairs circa 1954, usually an indicator of good food :gwink:
Not only would I become a regular, but something like that could lead to a Guy Fieri sighting in town, which is always good for business!

[michigandeb]

Originally Posted by Mateo

That's II Brothers http://iibrothers.com/

And they opened on Monday

[pitakelly13]

Another great idea for FS: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Goodf...29762000426143

We went with another same age couple to the outdoor music at FS last night and I was impressed at the turnout. There were several families, but since it was a blegrass style Beatles cover band, the majority of the crowd was 40-60 ish. Although the band was scheduled to end at 9:30, the four of us decided to pack up at 9:10 so we could get a table at Mattito's for a pitcher of margaritas and snacks before the rush came in. Well, we worried needlessly because the rush never happened...

Sadly, one pitcher and an order of stuffed jalapenos set us back $42 inc (standard 15% since service was so-so) tip. I see why people nearby were talking about going to Holy Grail.

Even more sadly, when we left at 10:30 p.m. FS was a ghost town.

[bizguy]

Originally Posted by pitakelly13

Another great idea for FS: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Goodf...29762000426143

We went with another same age couple to the outdoor music at FS last night and I was impressed at the turnout. There were several families, but since it was a blegrass style Beatles cover band, the majority of the crowd was 40-60 ish. Although the band was scheduled to end at 9:30, the four of us decided to pack up at 9:10 so we could get a table at Mattito's for a pitcher of margaritas and snacks before the rush came in. Well, we worried needlessly because the rush never happened...

Sadly, one pitcher and an order of stuffed jalapenos set us back $42 inc (standard 15% since service was so-so) tip. I see why people nearby were talking about going to Holy Grail.

Even more sadly, when we left at 10:30 p.m. FS was a ghost town.

Nooo, its lack of late hours, that's the reason....

[Piiilot]

Originally Posted by pitakelly13

Another great idea for FS: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Goodf...29762000426143

We went with another same age couple to the outdoor music at FS last night and I was impressed at the turnout. There were several families, but since it was a blegrass style Beatles cover band, the majority of the crowd was 40-60 ish. Although the band was scheduled to end at 9:30, the four of us decided to pack up at 9:10 so we could get a table at Mattito's for a pitcher of margaritas and snacks before the rush came in. Well, we worried needlessly because the rush never happened...

Sadly, one pitcher and an order of stuffed jalapenos set us back $42 inc (standard 15% since service was so-so) tip. I see why people nearby were talking about going to Holy Grail.

Even more sadly, when we left at 10:30 p.m. FS was a ghost town.

The need is not necessarily to draw people to Frisco Square, rather draw people away from The Shops of Legacy. Seems like I find myself going to Legacy more and more, and am running into more and more of my neighbors. I go to the Cigar shop at Frisco Square - and I go to the movies. I don't go there to eat since Lochran's left. I have a house full of teenagers so when I go out I am looking to escape them ! I know most people in Frisco have a house full of 5 year olds and cannot escape.

[Sticky Davis]

Originally Posted by Sticky Davis

I've officed in FS for 7-8 years now and have enjoyed every moment. We didn't have DNT here until a few years back - and as traffic counts increase in the immediate area, you'll see even more new buildings, businesses and restaurants as customer activity increases. Still on the right track - just slow..

I've had two different sets of offices (and two corporate apartments) here. Quality buildings and well managed from my perspective. At this point they'll have to carry me out in a box to get me to leave.

Behringer Harvard has only had an ownership position in here for a few months - so their Chapter 11 reorganization doesn't appear to affect the project in anyway. (Gearbox is about to break ground on their new high-rise HQ for example.)

Don't give up on FS. Not much more than a decade ago, we were looking at building the new city hall at the corner of Preston and Main. I'm darn glad the City built their new municipal complex here instead in this quality development.

I'm changing my view point now. After defending these new owners to friends in the community and concerned folks over at the City (they know I've been a long-time tenant at FS so they've naturally asked about my first hand experience) - I have no faith in the Behringer Harvard management team based on several of my most recent dealings with them. This being a public forum - I'll say no more. But I wanted to retract my reference on them. Let's hope Frisco Square survives these people - for I still believe in the FS vision.

[mikel]

Originally Posted by Sticky Davis

I'm changing my view point now. After defending these new owners to friends in the community and concerned folks over at the City (they know I've been a long-time tenant at FS so they've naturally asked about my first hand experience) - I have no faith in the Behringer Harvard management team based on several of my most recent dealings with them. This being a public forum - I'll say no more. But I wanted to retract my reference on them. Let's hope Frisco Square survives these people - for I still believe in the FS vision.

Once it goes too far, it's hard to bring it back due to perceptions. Hope they get their act figured out before it's too late.