Frisco Square is Cursed!

[bizguy]

Originally Posted by Piiilot

Whether anyone wants to admit it, not staying open past midnight is hurting Frisco Square. If I am a prospective tenant, the ability to stay open until 2 am gives me another full day of business. If I am looking for dinner, movie, and night cap, I would be rushed to do that in Frisco, but I do it at the Shops of Legacy on a regular basis. It is about 4 miles from my house to the shops of Legacy, and it is about 3 miles from my house to Frisco Square.

nope - that argument is a fail. There is no steady stream of people coming back from Plano at 2 AM. The demographics of this suburb does not lend itself to people staying out late. I am for late hours, but that is not what is hurting Frisco Square

[Rebel]

public transportation is a colossal waste of money that will subsidized with higher taxes. The reason that the CDC and the EDC exist is that Frisco chose it over DART tax

100% agree.

Light rail, commuter rail (the other option) is a colossal waste of money for Frisco. We have to go through countless secondary ring cities just to get to DFW, or Downtown Dallas, which can be accessed in half the time, and similar cost to using 121, or DNT..

There is absolutely ZERO explanation that I have heard to date the justifies the enormous cost of either light rail, or commuter rail, for Frisco.

If Prosper, Celina, or any other City north of us, thinks its worth it, then they can pay for it. We should not. Period.

Originally Posted by bizguy

nope - that argument is a fail. There is no steady stream of people coming back from Plano at 2 AM. The demographics of this suburb does not lend itself to people staying out late. I am for late hours, but that is not what is hurting Frisco Square

Agree again.

[PugLover]

Originally Posted by MomonaMission

Red herring, perhaps. Agree with all your points. Something needs to be done and sitting back and waiting, waiting, waiting gets the city no closer to the aspired goal. Getting people in the area is certainly part of the goal. If food trucks were permitted on Saturday mornings during perhaps the same hours as the Farmer's Market, it helps get people into the area that might not ordinarily be there. I believe the other restaurants in the area do not serve breakfast or are more dinner/bar crowd fare. Food trucks offer a different experience, one that is certainly worth a try, and is certainly a hot ticket item.

Isn't Brothers II going in just across from Frisco Square?

[mridgley]

Originally Posted by Rat

Stickey, I think that rail line in Denton County that runs between Denton and Lewisville hooks into DART. I tend to support public transportation in principle because there it helps with mobility, but there has to be critical mass in order for it to be effective, and DART has just been painfully slow in keeping up with the evolving needs of the Metro area. I don't think Frisco needs it now, but in 10 years, that may change. I don't want Frisco to turn into Arlington, either.

Exactly. Tie in with a Frisco owned system... make the rates expensive so the rift doesn't use it as their key to another geographical crime region. I like the idea of public transportation but bringing DART would be a big negative.

[Piiilot]

Originally Posted by bizguy

nope - that argument is a fail. There is no steady stream of people coming back from Plano at 2 AM. The demographics of this suburb does not lend itself to people staying out late. I am for late hours, but that is not what is hurting Frisco Square

You are focusing on 2:00 am. Let's take tonight. You get out of the FC Dallas game at 11:00. Drive across the street for a drink, you get there at 11:15, and they give last call at 11:45. Knowing that, do you go ? No, but get there at 11:15 and you know you an hour or so - that's much more inviting.

[MSJ]

Originally Posted by Piiilot

You are focusing on 2:00 am. Let's take tonight. You get out of the FC Dallas game at 11:00. Drive across the street for a drink, you get there at 11:15, and they give last call at 11:45. Knowing that, do you go ? No, but get there at 11:15 and you know you an hour or so - that's much more inviting.

Pilot has a point
We watched KABOOM TOWN in Addison from the roof of our work. Then walked to Dukes Road House where we stayed till 1:00 to let the traffic die down.

[bizguy]

Originally Posted by MSJ

Pilot has a point
We watched KABOOM TOWN in Addison from the roof of our work. Then walked to Dukes Road House where we stayed till 1:00 to let the traffic die down.

One or two days a year is not worth it for the operator....

Despite what you wish, 90% of Frisco has no interest in late hours for alcohol because 90% of legal age residents in Frisco are at home, asleep at midnight... I will say I am in favor of allowing late hours so that businesses can make whatever decision they think is right for them though.....

[stryker]

Originally Posted by Sticky Davis

Patience please. We just don't have the population within 5 miles of FS to support it and all the other empty store/restaurant spaces in other Frisco shopping centers. These shopping centers including FS were over-built ahead of the population needed to support them financially. Add another 100,000 residents (from Frisco and other nearby cities) over the next decade and the "demand" and incoming consumer dollars will solve a lot of this slow development.

This is the same problem we're dealing with in old downtown - but as more and more of the nearby residential areas are redeveloped - like those old railroad employee houses on Half Main, Elm and Half Elm - and we build multi-unit housing around the future light rail station - there will be plenty of nearby residents to support the redevelopment of old downtown. Think of it as a future walkable "village". You will see some of the non-historic buildings razed and replaced with new taller buildings - including restarants with upper dining decks (recent zoning changes now allow 4 story buildings) that blend into the old downtown area over the next 5-7 years.

And the City is proactively brainstorming events and dates/times for food trucks to come here more often. The Planning dept. gets the bulk of the credit for that last food truck event (StrEATS). And yes, the food permits are necessary to protect the safety of the public - and not meant as a way to drive away food trucks or to make additional city revenue for that matter. I think having them at the Farmer's Market is a great idea - and there is nothing stopping them from going forward (I believe it would be a decision by the Lions Club and the new FS owners to make - nothing stopping them from the City side with going forward.)

Why do those houses on half main and elm have to get redeveloped? There are people living in those houses right now.

[Rebel]

Originally Posted by stryker

Why do those houses on half main and elm have to get redeveloped? There are people living in those houses right now.

Nobody is getting kicked out.

But as people sell homes, move, etc, the area is zoned in such a manner as to encourge re-development to bring more businesses (and people) to the area.

[Bluegill]

Originally Posted by bizguy

One or two days a year is not worth it for the operator....

Despite what you wish, 90% of Frisco has no interest in late hours for alcohol because 90% of legal age residents in Frisco are at home, asleep at midnight... I will say I am in favor of allowing late hours so that businesses can make whatever decision they think is right for them though.....

What's wrong with allowing 2am and letting the operator decide? No one HAS to stay open that late. In fact they probably won't. But they should have the option to if they want and those one or two days a year they can.

Your argument assumes they will stay open until 2am every day of the year just for the benefit of a couple of special days. That doesn't fly. They could just as easily close at midnight or 10pm or whenever and then stay open late on special occasions.

But they can't do that and there's no good reason why - by your own argument it wouldn't be profitable for them to do so 99% of the time.